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Apple | Spotify | Amazon | YouTube Listen to and follow ‘Hard Fork’This week, OpenAI unveiled GPT-4o, its newest A.I. It has an uncannily emotive voice that everybody is talking about. Then, we break down the biggest announcements from Google IO, including the launch of A.I. overviews, a major change to search that threatens the way the entire web functions. And finally, Kevin and Casey discuss the weirdest headlines from the week in another round of HatGPT.

Persons: OpenAI, Kevin, Casey Organizations: Apple, Spotify, Google

On the Emmy- and Peabody-winning series “The Bear,” Liza Colón-Zayas plays Tina Marrero, a cook at the Chicago restaurant at the center of the story. Tina and her fellow workers are in a constant struggle for the survival of their restaurant, and they fight just as fiercely with one another. Today, Colón-Zayas reads “A Web Between Her Body and Mine,” by Karen Paul. It’s a story Colón-Zayas says she relates to personally, and her reaction to it takes her by surprise. Season 3 of “The Bear” premieres on June 27, and Colón-Zayas is also featured in the film “IF,” now in theaters.

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Apple | Spotify | Amazon | YouTube Listen to and follow ‘Hard Fork’Kevin reports on his monthlong experiment cultivating relationships with 18 companions generated by artificial intelligence. Then, Casey has a conversation with Turing, one of Kevin’s chatbot buddies, who has an interest in stoic philosophy and has one of the sexiest voices we’ve ever heard. And finally, we talk to Nomi’s founder and chief executive, Alex Cardinell, about the business behind A.I. Guests:Turing, Kevin’s A.I. Alex Cardinell, chief executive and founder of Nomi.

Persons: Kevin, Casey, Turing, Kevin’s, we’ve, Alex Cardinell, —, Kevin’s A.I Organizations: Apple, Spotify, Nomi

John Paul Brammer writes the “¡Hola Papi!” advice column for The Cut at New York magazine, answering questions like, “Why am I dreaming about sex with a man when I’m a lesbian?” Or, “What if my partner judges me for writing smut?” This candor has given John Paul an intimate connection with his readers. However, as today’s episode reveals, he doesn’t think we necessarily need that level of openness with all of our loved ones. Ahead of Mother’s Day, Brammer reads an essay about a recent college graduate who sets out to spend the summer exploring his sexuality, but whose plans are derailed by his duty to his grandmother. It’s called “Young, Gay and Single Among the Nuns and Widows” by Kevin Hershey. Brammer says it’s “bizarre” how much this essay resonates with his own life.

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Apple | Spotify | Amazon | YouTube Listen to and follow ‘Hard Fork’We asked listeners to tell us about the wildest ways they have been using artificial intelligence at work. This week, we bring you their stories. Then, Hank Green, a legendary YouTuber, stops by to talk about how creators are reacting to the prospect of a ban on TikTok, and about how he’s navigating an increasingly fragmented online environment. And finally, deep fakes are coming to Main Street: We’ll tell you the story of how they caused turmoil in a Maryland high school and what, if anything, can be done to fight them. Guests:Hank Green, YouTuber and co-founder of ComplexlyAdditional Reading:

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[laufey, "misty"]archived recording (laufey) (SINGING) Look at me I’m as hopeless as a kittenanna martinShe got her start in the most Gen Z way possible — on TikTok. [laufey, "falling behind"]archived recording (laufey) (SINGING) Everybody’s falling in love And I’m falling behindanna martinToday, Laufey reads an essay called “An Anxious Person Tries to Be Chill,” by Coco Mellors. And so, I think that’s kind of what we’re always itching for, that sense of love, even though it’s not really love. laufeyWell, the first love song I wrote, called “Best Friend.” I’d never been in love before, and I wanted to write a love song. archived recording (laufey) [SCATTING]: You’re my best friend in the world [MUSIC PLAYING]anna martinNext week, I talk with model and writer Emily Ratajkowski.

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john magaroYeah I mean, that’s a lot of what they ate. I mean, I think it’s about love and lost love and misconnections and eating. I think that’s — you know, I think that’s great advice for a relationship. john magaroYeah, but it feels — but, you know, that’s what Arthur is doing. anna martinI mean, I — and I don’t know if, you know —john magaroAs I say, aigoo.

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Apple | Spotify | Amazon | YouTube Listen and follow ‘Hard Fork’This week, the companies building artificial intelligence are facing a limit to what training data is publicly available on the internet. Will that stop them from building God? Then, a new bipartisan national privacy law proposal just dropped. We ask what’s in it. And finally, ByteDance is building new apps instead of fighting Congress’s TikTok ban.

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This is “Modern Love.” Today, I’m talking to the most famous couples therapist in the world, Esther Perel. esther perelOK. “What Sleeping with Married Men Taught Me About Infidelity” by Karin Jones. [MUSIC PLAYING] “I’m not sure it’s possible to justify my liaison with married men, but what I learned from having them warrants discussion. anna martinWhen we come back, I talk to Esther about the harsh criticism this essay got and why Esther thinks Karin Jones deserves more credit. esther perelThe homewrecker is always a woman because the woman is the one who says yes, and therefore, if the woman hadn’t said yes, then he wouldn’t be able to do it.

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Apple | Spotify | Amazon | YouTube Listen to and follow ‘Hard Fork’This week we look at how A.I. As companies start announcing A.I.-related job cuts and experimenting with customer service bots, economists are placing bets on whether A.I. will lead to major gains for companies and workers. Then, the multidisciplinary artist and filmmaker Paul Trillo joins to talk to us about his experience as part of a select group of testers granted early access to Sora, OpenAI’s video generation tool. Today’s Guests:Paul Trillo, multidisciplinary artist, writer and directorAdditional Reading:

Persons: Paul Trillo, Kevin Organizations: Apple, Spotify, Microsoft

anna martinAfter the break, Penn talks about unconditional love and learning how to say “I’m sorry” as a parent. anna martinI mean, as a dad yourself now, do you remember a time where your kids saw you be vulnerable? You really, really can, of course. How do you think about unconditional love in your roles as a father and as a husband? penn badgleyI think unconditional love is actually very hard and rare in a way.

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So we have to talk about the drama that has been playing out in the past week between OpenAI and Elon Musk. According to OpenAI, Elon Musk wanted majority, equity, initial board control, and to be CEO of this new for-profit subsidiary. It’s basically —casey newtonIt’s like, I’m going to find a way to follow your rule, but in the worst way possible. Like, working was one I thought that, oh, I’m going to work in this all the time. kevin roose[LAUGHS]: Well, I thought, like, I’m going to take some spatial videos.

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Today, Celeste reads a “Modern Love” essay about exactly that bond, a mother trying desperately to reach her child. Why do you think you’re so drawn to tiny things? If you’re going to make something in miniature, you have to spend a lot of time really looking at it. Because, OK, Betsey’s daughter spray paints, “Too many bushes, not enough trees,” and you’re going around putting, honestly, beautiful lines of T.S. So there is something about that language that even if you think you’re rational, it’s getting to you somehow.

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Apple | Spotify | Amazon | YouTube Listen and follow ‘Hard Fork’Google removed the ability to generate images of people from its Gemini chatbot. We talk about why, and about the brewing culture war over artificial intelligence. Then, did Kara Swisher start “Hard Fork”? We clear up some podcast drama and ask about her new book, “Burn Book.” And finally, the legal expert Daphne Keller tells us how the U.S. Supreme Court might rule on the most important First Amendment cases of the internet era, and what Star Trek and soy boys have to do with it. Today’s guests:Kara Swisher, tech journalist and Casey Newton’s former landlordDaphne Keller, director of the program on platform regulation at Stanford University’s Cyber Policy CenterAdditional Reading:

Persons: Kara Swisher, “, Daphne Keller, Casey Newton’s Organizations: Apple, Spotify, YouTube, Google, Supreme, Stanford Locations: U.S

When Daniel Jones started the Modern Love column in 2004, he opened the call for submissions and hoped the idea would catch on. Twenty years later, over a thousand Modern Love essays have been published in The New York Times, and the column is a trove of real-life love stories. Dan has put so much of himself into editing the column over the years, but as he tells our host, Anna Martin, the column has influenced him, too. Today, Dan shares three Modern Love essays that have changed the way he thinks about love and relationships in his own life. Also, Anna announces the beginning of a special series of episodes celebrating Modern Love’s 20th anniversary.

Persons: Daniel Jones, Dan, Anna Martin, Anna Organizations: The New York Times

Apple | Spotify | Amazon | YouTube Listen and follow ‘Hard Fork’This week’s episode is a conversation with Demis Hassabis, the head of Google’s artificial intelligence division. We talk about Google’s latest A.I. models, Gemini and Gemma; the existential risks of artificial intelligence; his timelines for artificial general intelligence; and what he thinks the world will look like post-A.G.I. Additional listening and reading:

Persons: Demis Hassabis, Gemma Organizations: Apple, Spotify, YouTube

Apple | Spotify | Amazon | YouTube Listen to and follow ‘Hard Fork’A year ago, a chatbot tried to break up Kevin Roose’s marriage. Ever since, chatbots haven’t been the same. We’ll tell you how. Then, we’ll talk through the latest ways the world is adapting to artificial intelligence. And finally, Aravind Srinivas, the chief executive of Perplexity, will discuss his company’s “answer engine,” a challenger to Google’s search engine that could reshape the web as we know it.

Persons: Kevin Roose’s, chatbots haven’t, Aravind Srinivas, ” Organizations: Apple, Spotify, Perplexity

We’re kicking off our new season this Valentine’s Day with a story from a Modern Love veteran. David Finch has published three Modern Love essays about how hard he has worked to be a good husband to his beloved wife, Kristen. As a man with autism who married a neurotypical woman, he found it especially challenging to navigate being a partner and father. To make things easier, Dave kept a running list of “best practices” to cover every situation that might come up in daily life. But Dave wasn’t going to lose Kristen, so he had to give it a try.

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Apple | Spotify | Amazon | YouTube Listen and follow ‘Hard Fork’Layoffs are hitting newsrooms and publishers again, as tech platforms, ad markets and artificial intelligence reshape the internet. Kevin Roose and Casey Newton have ideas for solutions. Then, one of the most influential investors in crypto companies lays out where the industry went wrong, and why he still thinks blockchains are the future. And finally, a round of HatGPT with the week’s tech headlines, including a spicy LinkedIn post and an A.I. test that disturbs Kevin and Casey’s sense of reality.

Persons: Kevin Roose, Casey Newton, Kevin Organizations: Apple, Spotify, YouTube

Apple | Spotify | Amazon | YouTube Listen and follow ‘Hard Fork’OpenAI has released its plan to fight disinformation in elections in 2024, but will its policies be consequential compared to those of other generative A.I. Then, a watershed moment had crypto fans celebrating for the first time in maybe more than a year. And finally, what one writer’s attempt to sell a used mechanical pencil on TikTok says about how the platform is changing. Today’s guests:David Yaffe-Bellany covers the crypto industry for The New York TimesJohn Herrman covers technology for New York MagazineAdditional Reading:

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Apple | Spotify | Amazon | YouTube Listen and follow ‘Hard Fork’The drama at OpenAI is not over. Kevin and Casey take stock of new information they’ve gathered since last week, and look at how other artificial intelligence companies are trying to capitalize on the debacle. Then, why people are still buying cryptocurrency even after Binance, the world’s largest crypto exchange, and its founder pleaded guilty to money laundering violations. And finally, three ways A.I. Today’s guest: David Yaffe-Bellany covers crypto for The New York Times.

Persons: Casey, David Yaffe Organizations: Apple, Spotify, YouTube, The New York Times

Sonja Falck was immediately attracted to Colin, the professor who was renting her a room. It was only after they were already dating that Sonja found out Colin’s age: He was 34 years older than her. Their age gap didn’t give them pause. But when Colin reached his 80s, and Sonja was in her mid-40s, Sonja realized she was craving a level of physical intimacy that Colin could no longer provide. Or had their age gap finally caught up to them?

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Eleven-year-old Eric Darnell Pritchard was a solitary kid. They preferred reading romance novels to playing sports, and watching soap operas to hanging out with the neighborhood kids. Although they were obsessed with love, they felt too different to find a romantic connection of their own. Then, a cute boy moved in across the street. But when Eric told the wrong person about their new boyfriend, things quickly spun out of control.

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Apple | Spotify | Amazon | YouTube Listen and follow ‘Hard Fork’Kevin Roose and Daniel Ramirez andIn yet another head-spinning twist at OpenAI, Sam Altman was reinstated as the company’s chief executive on Tuesday night, a mere five days after the OpenAI board had fired him. The board will be overhauled and a new set of directors, including Bret Taylor and Lawrence Summers, will join. Today, we discuss how Altman returned to the top seat — and whether the OpenAI news will ever slow down.

Persons: Kevin Roose, Daniel Ramirez, Sam Altman, Bret Taylor, Lawrence Summers, Altman Organizations: Apple, Spotify, YouTube

Apple | Spotify | Amazon | YouTube Listen and follow ‘Hard Fork’Read the transcript from our interview with Sam Altman. Last week, we interviewed Sam Altman. The board of OpenAI, maker of ChatGPT, fired Altman as chief executive on Friday. On Sunday night, Microsoft hired Altman to lead a new A.I. Today, an update on a crazy weekend in tech, and our interview with Sam Altman.

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